freetime2 3 hours ago

> Not surprisingly, the notion that America was named for Vespucci has long been universally accepted, so much so that a lineal descendant, America Vespucci, came to New Orleans in 1839 and asked for a land grant "in recognition of her name and parentage."

I found this little aside in the opening paragraph interesting. Who did she ask? And was she successful?

A quick google search didn’t turn up much about America Vespucci. I did find one article about her that makes her sound very interesting [1], but no mention of the above request. I’m guessing from the way she moved around after 1839 her request was not granted, though.

[1] https://jeffcowiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Marie_Helene_America_Ve...

  • xVedun 2 hours ago

    There doesn't seem to be a ton of information easily accessible about America Vespucci, but this [1] except from the Washington Democratic Review for February 1839 notes the following:

    > The object for which she had specially come to America, was to obtain, if possible, a grant of land from the Congress of the United States, as a means of honourable and independent support and the failure of her application, as well as the grounds on which it was deemed necessary to decline compliance with the request, are fully and fairly stated in the following Report made to the Senate of the United States, by Mr. Walker, of Mississippi.

    Where a report names that she seems to be worth of the name, but fails to mention any actual land grant, which I would assume is a nice way to say no.

    > She feels that the name she bears is a prouder title than any that earthly monarchs can bestow; She asking us for a small corner of American soil, where she may pass the remainder of her days in this land of her adoption. She comes here as an exile, separated for ever from her family and friends; a stranger, without a country and without a home; expelled from her native Italy, for the avowal maintenance of opinions favourable to free institutions, and an ardent desire for the establishment of her country's freedom. That she indeed is worthy of the name of America —that her heart is indeed imbued with American principles, and fervent love for human liberty, is proved in her case, by toils, and perils, and sacrifices, worthy Of the proudest days of antiquity, when the Roman and the Spartan matrons were ever ready to surrender life in their country's service.

    [1] http://portraits.allenbrowne.info/Vespucci/Buckingham/

robertclaus an hour ago

Interesting that the article is so rigorous/long even though there turns out to be clear historical evidence showing where the name came from.

meiraleal 4 hours ago

Intersting. In Brazil we argue that the US isn't America. Great to know that Brazil was first called America, not the US :)

  • jandrewrogers an hour ago

    "America" is the only name the country has. Other countries are also called "United States of $FOO", so the USA does not own title to "United States" in the same way no one owns "Democratic Republic" as the name of their country.

    Regardless, in most languages and countries, it is just "America" so that ship has sailed. Either way, America or United States, everyone knows which country is being referenced.

  • philwelch an hour ago

    Brazil? Do you mean the Federative Republic?

  • samatman 2 hours ago

    The USA, you mean?

    • meiraleal an hour ago

      Nobody would be taken seriously calling the US "America" in South America.

      • bentley 29 minutes ago

        The source of this terminology difference is that continents have no universal definition, only societal convention. Spanish‐speaking countries teach the six‐continent model with a single America, whereas Anglophone countries like the UK, Australia, and USA teach the seven‐continent model with North and South America. Neither side is wrong, since there’s no universally agreed upon idea of what the continents are, only convention (and neither convention matches the current geological consensus either). The equivalent term to Spanish “America” in English is “the Americas,” not “America.” My Brazilian friends consider themselves “American,” but I’ve never met a Canadian who did.

dang 7 hours ago

Anybody know the year of this essay? I put 2001 above because it's the latest date I could find in the text.

  • madcaptenor 3 hours ago

    Might be 2023. A look through the author’s list of publications (https://www.jonathancohenweb.com/jc-pubs.html) gives a citation under 2023:

    “Why Do We Call It 'America'?" [C]. American Heritage 68.7.”

    That links to an essay at https://www.americanheritage.com/why-do-we-call-it-america which says in an editor’s note that “Portions of this essay originally appeared in The American Voice.” The americanheritage.com version looks very similar to this one.

    • dang 2 hours ago

      I guess that's the best evidence we have so I went with 2023 above. Thanks!

      (Seems likely to me that it was written earlier, or the most recent reference wouldn't have been 2001, but that's only a hunch.)

      • madcaptenor 2 hours ago

        I agree it seems unlikely. On the other hand there’s a reference to “ the current (fifth) edition of Webster's New World College Dictionary” and that seems to be from 2016 - so perhaps the article was mostly done in the late eighties / early nineties but got some updates here and there.

  • alehlopeh 5 hours ago

    At the bottom of the article it says “An early version of this essay appeared in The American Voice (1988) and a section in Encounters (1991).”

    • jolmg 5 hours ago

      I think they know, but the problem is that they wouldn't be able to cite 2001 in 1991/1988.