I keep telling people they’re not going to get owned just by booting a Windows 10 machine after october 14. Most people visit Google, Amazon, Youtube, Pinterest and Netflix and not much else. If you run sketchy stuff and click sketchy links, you could get owned under support, too. And if the NSA wants to spy on you specifically, Windows 11 isn’t going to stop them. The most pressing (non-compliance) reason to upgrade from Windows 10 is always just going to be that newer software versions may stop working. Perhaps most importantly games and Microsoft’s own stuff.
All software is full of security bugs, supported or not. While supported SW fixes known security bugs it also introduces new ones. Therefore it doesn't matter much, it's all vulnerable.
Security patches are also increasingly misused by the vendors to push unwanted crap.
Other security approaches are needed: firewall, updated browser + adblocker, not clicking on everything, doing research before installing stuff, etc.
You need an up2date browser with adblocker, that's the most important thing. I guess browsers will be supported for a few more years but after that you should definitely not use Windows 10 in fear of e.g. 0days served via ads and just use a Linux distribution instead (or better yet, do it now instead of buying new hardware just for Win11 or using crude hacks and unsupported workarounds).
You are losing against Microsoft marketing. In Europe one of the biggest electronic chains MediaMarkt (think bestbuy in its heyday) is currently running commercials targeting older audience and clearly co-financed by Microsoft. Its all about dangers of doing basic ecommerce on "old unsupported computers" and how you are going to have all of your data and identity stolen if you dont upgrade _right now_ to a new computer with Win11.
Any bets on Windows extending the deadline or providing free security updates for a while as soon as the first sec vulnerability news hits a significant number of customers?
You have to log into w11 anyways as a must, no avoiding it. Sure you wouldnt call this free from purist perspective but from consumer perspective it is
I think that a lot of hardware which "does not support" Windows 11 actually does after BIOS/UEFI update or reconfiguration. I myself had 2 such examples from like 20 computers in the company.
- A board with AMD Ryzen needed to fTPM enabled
- A different board from Gigabyte I think had wonky Secure Boot support, but after BIOS update everything worked just alright and Windows 11 has installed itself without a problem.
Same for my parents - one of their desktops that they were going to leave on Windows 10 needed to have tpm and secure boot turned on in bios and suddenly it was Windows 11 compliant.
I work at an ewaste recycling company. Just yesterday, I sold a desktop to someone expressly so that he would have supported hardware for Windows 11 in light of Windows 10 support ending.
Just yesterday I installed both Windows 10 and Windows 7 (and Windows XP). Windows7 is so much more consistent, faster. (It's still from Microsoft, so it also sucks.)
I keep telling people they’re not going to get owned just by booting a Windows 10 machine after october 14. Most people visit Google, Amazon, Youtube, Pinterest and Netflix and not much else. If you run sketchy stuff and click sketchy links, you could get owned under support, too. And if the NSA wants to spy on you specifically, Windows 11 isn’t going to stop them. The most pressing (non-compliance) reason to upgrade from Windows 10 is always just going to be that newer software versions may stop working. Perhaps most importantly games and Microsoft’s own stuff.
All software is full of security bugs, supported or not. While supported SW fixes known security bugs it also introduces new ones. Therefore it doesn't matter much, it's all vulnerable.
Security patches are also increasingly misused by the vendors to push unwanted crap.
Other security approaches are needed: firewall, updated browser + adblocker, not clicking on everything, doing research before installing stuff, etc.
You need an up2date browser with adblocker, that's the most important thing. I guess browsers will be supported for a few more years but after that you should definitely not use Windows 10 in fear of e.g. 0days served via ads and just use a Linux distribution instead (or better yet, do it now instead of buying new hardware just for Win11 or using crude hacks and unsupported workarounds).
You are losing against Microsoft marketing. In Europe one of the biggest electronic chains MediaMarkt (think bestbuy in its heyday) is currently running commercials targeting older audience and clearly co-financed by Microsoft. Its all about dangers of doing basic ecommerce on "old unsupported computers" and how you are going to have all of your data and identity stolen if you dont upgrade _right now_ to a new computer with Win11.
Any bets on Windows extending the deadline or providing free security updates for a while as soon as the first sec vulnerability news hits a significant number of customers?
But they litterally are doing this. And also EU made them make it free for EU citizens so its free in EU and 30$ in the rest of the world afaik. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/extended-security-up...
Yes, it's free for one year if you sign into an MS account.
Which makes it not free.
You have to log into w11 anyways as a must, no avoiding it. Sure you wouldnt call this free from purist perspective but from consumer perspective it is
I thought you could install w11 offline
It's not free, it's gratis.
99% likely, though I expect it to be for europeans only. At least IMO.
I think that a lot of hardware which "does not support" Windows 11 actually does after BIOS/UEFI update or reconfiguration. I myself had 2 such examples from like 20 computers in the company.
- A board with AMD Ryzen needed to fTPM enabled
- A different board from Gigabyte I think had wonky Secure Boot support, but after BIOS update everything worked just alright and Windows 11 has installed itself without a problem.
Same for my parents - one of their desktops that they were going to leave on Windows 10 needed to have tpm and secure boot turned on in bios and suddenly it was Windows 11 compliant.
https://endof10.org/
I work at an ewaste recycling company. Just yesterday, I sold a desktop to someone expressly so that he would have supported hardware for Windows 11 in light of Windows 10 support ending.
Initial release date: July 29, 2015
That's over 10 years of support. Not bad
That's just the best case scenario. Few migrated to it in 2015. Windows 10 was sold for years.
Windows 11 initial release date: October 5, 2021.
That's 4 years of support after successor was released.
“Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.” --Microsoft
I believed that. My conversion Windows 7 to 10 failed. I went to Ubuntu without any problems. I had a lucky escape.
Just yesterday I installed both Windows 10 and Windows 7 (and Windows XP). Windows7 is so much more consistent, faster. (It's still from Microsoft, so it also sucks.)
I also believed them. Never again. Also Windows 11 is okay.
... but it seems to be worse than windows 10 in terms of performance while adding nothing substantially different
Oh but it is quite different.
Even notepad is completely fucked up.
mmc and cmd still virtually unchanged since 1999
We just ship everyone the latest beta and let the users do the testing.
That's why we made sure you can't disable telemetry unless you pay up for an enterprise-level eula.
Good luck submitting error and telemetry reports whenever an update bricks your motherboard.
FTFY